Interstellar Life 2 - Flying Discs - Extraterrestrial Information

Originally in Spanish
Conversation with Swaruu of Erra - between 2018 and 2020

Gosia: Why in Billy Meier's time, for example, the ship that has been presented was so "simple"? A disc, so typical. So, the ship that landed in front of Billy Meier is just like some of your ships are?

Swaruu (9): They haven't changed at all. On Earth they seem to change the vehicles, but it's only the models because they give people the technology in dribs and drabs. But here, a technological level has already been reached that is difficult to surpass, it is only perfected.

That is a class II cataloged as a shuttle or light vehicle. 11m diameter. Yes, it is still in operation and has been for a long time now. There are 20 of those parked in the hangar deck of this ship, the Toleka, just now a short distance from me, among other ships of other shapes. They are used for everything.

Small, low-powered ships use the discoidal shape because it helps distribute electromagnetic energy evenly throughout the hull, but maintaining that discoidal shape becomes useless as a ship increases in engine power. Beyond a certain power, the shape is inconsequential, and its forms are designed according to the functions it needs to perform.


April 2023

Gosia: Could you, please, help me identify the real Billy Meier´s photos from the fake ones?

Swaruu X (Athena): See it from the point of view of a human fighter pilot. Show him or her a well-made photograph of a model fighter jet, especially if it is a big scale model, like a 1/48 or even better a 1/32. If the photograph is well done, the pilot cannot tell the difference.

These look like they are photos of a Taygetan class II small 10m diameter craft, one of the most common and numerous craft in service and that has been in service for decades. Those are the supposedly real photographs. But honestly I can't know. As I mentioned above, that looks like a Class II shuttle. But as with the fighter jet, I cannot know if it is the real thing, of a well-made model.





Even with real class II shuttles inside Toleka right now, I cannot know if whatever is in that photograph is a real one or just a model. Because even though we know Asket and Co., were there using one of those crafts, we cannot know if that is Asket's or Semjese's ships in the photograph, or just a model taken with the correct, and real background. A class II shuttle has very few external details, if the proportions are correct even we cannot know.


Conversation with Anéeka of Temmer

Anéeka: For us, the disks have no practical shape. This is what happens. The metallic discoidal ones have that shape because that is the best way to distribute the electromagnetism that neutralizes gravity. Because they have small motors. But a big one has a lot of power and its shape becomes irrelevant, so you only design it based on aesthetics or for the use it will be given.

What happens is that the discoidal ships are the most used as shuttles, they are like automobiles for us. So, previously they were the ones that could be seen the most on Earth. Note that nowadays almost nobody reports disks, very few. They are always ships in other forms.

If you only use gravity cancellation, the best thing to do is to make a disk or a sphere. But if you're already using plasma jets, although many on Earth will protest, those turbine engines are much more advanced than the gravity canceling ones, then you need to have exhausts in the back and you have a cabin in the front. And you design everything in between.


Conversation with Athena Swaruu
May 2022

Swaruu X (Athena): Now notice that in the solid side part that looks more towards you, if you get closer you will see 15 things sticking out in a line, some grouped in groups of 3. Zoom in closer.



Robert: Lights?

Swaruu X (Athena): No.

Robert: Cannons? Drone exit?

Swaruu X (Athena): They are class or Type II "UFOs". They are used as escape pods, like "lifeboats". They are in their enclosures inside the hull but are visible from the outside. There are also more in the hangar inside, especially the one below.

Gosia: Aren't they used for other things anymore?

Swaruu X (Athena): They are very resistant and interstellar, but they have an impractical shape. So they are used for rescue, rarely as ships anymore. They were replaced by more "Star Trek" looking shuttles.

Gosia: And why did Asket and Semjase use those for the encounter with Billy Meier?

Swaruu X (Athena): To meet expectations. I guess.

Gosia: But why has that expectation been created? Do you mean that other races used the flying disks a lot?

Swaruu X (Athena): Yes. They could have used a normal shuttle, but they preferred the disc-shaped ones which are not practical.

Gosia: But those can reach Earth and land?

Swaruu X (Athena): They are vulnerable. They are not recommended because they use magnetic and gravity-canceling engines only. They don't have the protection of a large plasma jet.

Gosia: Shuttle can also land on Earth?

Swaruu X (Athena): Yes, they would be the most practical, they are like vans. The problem is that they are vulnerable.

Gosia: To what?

Swaruu X (Athena): To being shot by the Cabal.

Gosia: They are more vulnerable than the saucer?

Swaruu X (Athena): No, they are just as vulnerable as the saucer. It's just that they don't have toroidal plasma jet engines, that's the big difference.

Robert: But those shuttles also work with several different types of engines, right?

Swaruu X (Athena): They have two combined, gravity canceling and magnetic. It's basically the same thing.

Gosia: They don't have Hyper Space capability, do they?

Swaruu X (Athena): Yes, they are all interstellar. But, as I said before, you can go from Finland to Barcelona on a motorcycle, just as fast as in a car, but is it practical? No, isn't it?

Gosia: If you like it. We went walking with Robert several times, haha.

Swaruu X (Athena): You can and it's an experience. But if you need comfort and to carry things, you'd better use something bigger.

It's a tremendously common misconception on Earth to consider these things as more advanced than other ships. When, in fact, the others are much more advanced. Those are just cars, and they have very simple systems. They just use gravity engines which are reliable ok, but they can't do a lot of things.

And you need that traditional disc shape because it distributes the electromagnetism they produce very well. But that disc shape is not practical at all. It is difficult to move, to store, and it is very cumbersome and has little space inside. The disks are not more advanced. Just because they are pure chrome does not make them more advanced. People think they are more advanced because they don't have any equipment outside, they assume that it is because it is very, very advanced, but in reality they don't see any equipment outside because... they have no equipment, so their use is very limited.

I don't have much experience in them, nevertheless, that is what they use to teach cadets in flight school. They use discs at the flight academy because they are the easiest to fly and because just about everyone has one, so they are easy to find.

Robert: Yes, when I saw the designs of your ships, I also thought that they don't look anything like flying saucers. Besides, those are easy to shoot down, the disks.

Swaruu X (Athena): Yes, because you only have to alter the readings of their gravity sensors and they fall down, and that's easy to do with microwaves like radar. They are very pretty, but their capabilities are limited compared to the proper ships.


Originally in English
Another conversation - April 2023

Gosia: Follower's question: "Why are saucers still being seen locally? Are they intraterrestrial?"

Swaruu X (Athena): The answer is that nearly everybody uses discs, so it's nearly impossible to know who the owner is.

Gosia: Ok. The intraterrestials use it too?

Swaruu X (Athena): Some are from inner Earth, that's right, mostly of the deep Cabal.

Gosia: Deep Cabal uses the discs?

Swaruu X (Athena): They do, yes, although lately they are being replaced, slowly, by things that look more like Star Trek shuttle craft.

Gosia: You mean, they retro engineered it and now use it themselves?

Swaruu X (Athena): Those and better technology. And because of cooperation between races and treaties.

Gosia: So, some of the discs, if they are seen, could be ones owned by the deep Cabal?

Swaruu X (Athena): They could be, but the most common user of those discs are the Zeta Grays. But you can never know, as they are in the millions, on Earth and around Earth. Everyone has them, everyone has a version of them in their inventory.

Gosia: Why do they use it? They don´t have better ones? They know the disc ones are not practical and have problems?

Swaruu X (Athena): They are easy to build and require small motors, and many races just have them because their technology is only at that level.

Gosia: When was the last time you used it as Taygetans/Swaruunians?

Swaruu X (Athena): Yesterday. To go to the Viera. Some Taygetans, Shinonim girls on their free time. Nothing more than going there for fun, and to rest from being here. That's what they are for, they are small shuttle craft.

Gosia: And why not use that Star Trekky shuttle instead?

Swaruu X (Athena): For the same reason you would want to use a small and maneuverable little car and not a van to go someplace. But the shuttles are better in every way. I'm no fan of the disks, I personally don't even like them.

Gosia: Can they pilot them or did they need a pilot?

Swaruu X (Athena): They can pilot them.